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Prince Deimos	Posted - 2010.08.22 00:50:00 - [1] Originally by: Anddeh McNab Originally by: Ash Donai Just because one player (with multiple accounts) managed to come up with a non-representative sample of mission running life doesn't mean that this sample accurately extrapolates to infinity. But one does have to be able to read. Frozean has said on multiple occasion that he doesn't mission with multiple accounts. Also, Frozean was never trying to represent every high-sec mission runner out there. This thread is proof of concept, that someone with enough dedication and forethought can pull off 100+ million ISK per hour purely running missions in high security space. It doesn't mean we all do it, I sure as pie don't. All my financial income is from bounties and rewards in a T2 fit Maelstrom so I can make probably around 100 million ISK per DAY if I put my mind to it. Quoting your hero: "As for my golem pilot, yea. about 1-2 months in my CNR i got ard 10b for a golem pilot. All tengu, CNR, and golem are obscenely good mission runners. I also bought a macha/NM toon alongiside a golem/tengu pilot." He just said it there, he has at least two accounts, but by the sound of his bad english he makes it sound like he has 3. And I don't care what you fools say, not including the time it takes to turn your LP into ISK is fraud when you are trying to dish out "Hard" numbers. Include everything you have to do to make the isk, or don't count it, that should be pretty simple to understand.
Prince Deimos	Posted - 2010.08.22 22:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Prince Deimos He just said it there, he has at least two accounts, but by the sound of his bad english he makes it sound like he has 3. I have 4 accounts, yet when I do FW missions I do them with only one of the accounts. Should I divide my ISK/hr by 4 just because I have 4 accounts? No, what matters is that Frozean uses one character at a time for ISK generation purposes. -Liang I did not say anything about dividing isk. I am simply pointing out he does not just mission on one super character, he has multiple characters depending on the mission. Multiple characters help pick the best missions because instead of 2 refusals you can do 4 or 6. You snobs make it sound like everyone and their brother should be able to log into eve with characters ready to make 100mil/hr no problem while forgeting the average person in this game cannot mission for a long time, does not have specialized mission characters for every mission type possible and doesn't have the skills to properly turn lp into isk. Evidence of the fact the majority of mission runners get crap lp/isk rates is in the fact you can barely make 500isk per lp off faction ammo... I would bet my savings that faction ammo is the single most turned in category of lp in the game. Long story short, People here are right that you can't troll Liang, because Liang is the ultimate troll. People in this thread are dead wrong that this dude represents some kind of norm for high sec mission running.
Prince Deimos	Posted - 2010.08.23 14:50:00 - [3] Originally by: Anddeh McNab Originally by: Moose Burger 11/10? actually im pretty serious. I biomassed frozean ;P If you check ingame it doesnt exist anymore. Or someone might ninja the trollface. Let me clear this up for the sake of people that have a low reading IQ. If I have this right, Frozean was the character you first account on your account? Which got into a CNR and made 10b in 5 months. That money you then used to buy a Golem/Tengu pilot, which may or may not be Moose Burger. Which was then used to make silly ISK/hour, hence this thread. Frozean having outlived his usefulness was then biomassed. Correct? Available options: A - We have all been trolled bad, from post #1. All Fake, All Troll, All the Time. B - We have all been trolled bad, from page #6. Frozean is indeed Biomassed or Banned, but the reasons are yet unknown. C - Frozean was actually a Liang alt, probably the most believable scenerio, and Liang has pulled a Troll on us all. I don't know bro, but the story gets pretty fishy now. Went from Frozean running missions, to Frozean running missions and buying a second character to run missions. Now we have Frozean bought a nighmare/mach character and a tengu/golem character and biomassed himself. All I know is, when you have bull** numbers and a bull story pretty much everything smells like bull**.
Prince Deimos	Posted - 2010.08.23 15:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Serendipity Raine So, either Frozean is a troll (quite a good one, 'cos I was fooled), Moose is randomly lying, or Frozean is an utter idiot. Which to we think? DING DING DING, You won the thread. D - All of the above
Prince Deimos	Posted - 2010.08.23 15:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Prince Deimos A - We have all been trolled bad, from post #1. All Fake, All Troll, All the Time. B - We have all been trolled bad, from page #6. Frozean is indeed Biomassed or Banned, but the reasons are yet unknown. C - Frozean was actually a Liang alt, probably the most believable scenerio, and Liang has pulled a Troll on us all. D - Frozean was telling the truth and decided to biomass a useless character. What I know for sure about this thread: - Frozean claimed 102M ISK/hr in the topic, yet only averaged 85ish M/isk/r - A lot of people didn't read his initial post, where he addressed most of the things brought up in the thread. - 85M ISK/hr is definitely doable in high sec with the right skills/ships. He seems to have them. - I didn't look at the mission completion times on the strength of point #2. - RFF is a damn good idea. I bought a Providence to haul my ** in. - Frozean isn't, never has been, and never will be one of my alts. :) -Liang Nice troll... Point #1 would kinda make Frozean an exaggerator wouldn't it? He can't be telling the truth if he was off by 20% can he? No you did not check his mission times, which he does by counting time in/time out. He does not count Undock/Dock time in entirety. Counting only the time it takes to do the mission, and not the time it takes to get there is fraud. Yes using RFF is a great Idea, and I think more people should. I think half the people in half the threads you post in are your alts. That is your solution to winning a thread is to flood it with your alts. Classic strategy, very smart. Frozean is the ultimate loser in this thread, bio-massing a CNR mission character instead of selling it is F-ing ****ed. I don't care if he can prove he makes 200mil per hour, he just lost several billion from not selling that character.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 16:38:00 - [6] So Frozean's account now has the following characters on it: Moose Burger Ludv and call187 (1.5years old, Golem pilot) Stoic, his numbers were off from his claims by 20% because of all the real time reasons those of us disputing them gave. Yes 80mi/hr is possible in high sec, I am sure a few dozen people do this much I never said it was impossible. I just want all the extra help he got included as a footnote. Ludv was not that great of a deal that you should have biomassed a character over, but whatever.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 16:44:00 - [7] Frozean indeed used a screenshot that was not his here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368512&page=1#28 There is no corp taxes missing, nor did he include corp taxes, all of his mission characters are in NPC corps. Anyone care to explain that? I call TROLL
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 16:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Prince Deimos on 23/08/2010 16:53:52 Originally by: Moose Burger Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 16:46:06 Percone is an NPC corp? since when? as I said. the idiots keeps coming. A close look at your screenshot would show that you did not use call187 since your screen shot has 11 characters before every "got" in your wallet. call187 is not 11 characters long. I do know one of your characters who does have 11 characters in their name... but that one doesn't have the standings to run missions, perhaps different accounts and in fleet then? LOL... you have BS V across all your characters, also all your social skills are maxxed and your in a max golem/tengu characters, all that in just 19 months? congrats
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Prince Deimos on 23/08/2010 17:10:42 How did you buy that Ludv character when Frozean had not been biomassed. There is less than 9 hours between your last post with Frozean and the transfer of your Ludv purchase. You already had moose and call187 then too. Ready to admit that 80mi/hr is possible, but just not by yourself. Liang, my main, Stoic we are all people who can get those numbers alone, you and your characters, no chance in hell. For proof: Frozean at Biomass No 4mil sp character is going to have a 5.01 security status... you mission in fleet with characters as support. nice try troll.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:15:00 - [10] Edited by: Prince Deimos on 23/08/2010 17:19:11 other characters have BS 5 huh? which ones, Call187 does, but moose doesnt. As of July 22 you had BS 4, and you would be finishing BS 5 right about this week if you started training right after google cached your skills. here Dude, you have been caught lying about everything. Give it up For Stoic: It was pointed out he should include a footnote that he uses third party haulers, there is strong evidence that he uses multiple characters to pull favorable missions. His screenshots show a wallet from a character with a name far too long for his "mission character". He also has no characters with decent enough manufacturing skills to make the lp/isk conversion without help. He includes mission times from warp in to warp out, not from accept to turn in. All fun stuff from the little troll

Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Moose Burger Look at frozeans faction standings Caldari State8.67 Faction standings cant be obatained by sharing accounts Faction standings are obtained by grinding storylines. Yes. I played a lot. I could say ive already done almost 70-80 storyline missions on Frozean all of them in Haatomo. Anything else? Are you saying Frozean with bad minmatar standings and no Minmatar NPC standings can somehow share info with a toon in the same account? I dont know what goes in your mind but. Its tiring to answer all the troll questions that is completely unrelated to the ammount of isk/hour i made. Shared rewards? Are you saying that somehow i should be getting 3 million isk from mission rewards and another 3 million isk from time rewards? God. If thats the case i would have loved to cheat everyone in the world. Faction standings can be bought with Tags... thats how a lot of people get a jump start on missions for a particular group.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:04:00 - [12] Originally by: JonnyRandom Hi Moose Burger, I'm very impressed by your mission running. I know of players cherry picking missions by declining poor ones, but you take it to a whole new level. I've got a question for you (or anyone willing), if you don't mind. You say to get Faction standings up so that I can then decline a whole load of missions and still be able to accept missions from the agent. However, although my Faction standings would allow me to continue to take missions, wouldn't the crappy standings with the agent/corporation (because of all the declines) translate to very poor mission/LP rewards? And also, how exactly are you able to get your Faction standing so high in such a short amount of time? I know of the traditional way of just doing missions and then the storylines, but that would take several months of grinding every day, I would think. And the Faction Standing Repair Plan by DeMichael doesn't seem like it would be any faster. Is there some other way, then, that you get fast Faction standings on your characters? If it is not a secret, would you share it please? Thanks in advance! Use multiple characters to pull the best missions, do not take standings hits by declining missions over and over. Faction standings are obtained that way with the use of Tags at Data Centers. That is how he did it.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 20:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Salvage Contractor Originally by: Prince Deimos Faction standings are obtained that way with the use of Tags at Data Centers. That is how he did it. Getting your faction to 7+ via tags is quite expensive especially considering a 0-5 months old character. Though one could speculate that factions were raised to 4 or maybe even 5 via tags (still expensive) and the rest was done via Cosmos missions. The guy spent over 12 bil that we know of on characters. He biomassed a character because he did not feel 1.2bil was worth it. I think he could spare the 500mil in tags to get all the way through a series of Amarr, Caldari and Ammatar data centers (combined they will get you over 7)
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.24 22:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Salvage Contractor Originally by: Prince Deimos The guy spent over 12 bil that we know of on characters. He biomassed a character because he did not feel 1.2bil was worth it. I think he could spare the 500mil in tags to get all the way through a series of Amarr, Caldari and Ammatar data centers (combined they will get you over 7) Except that he had to buy the tags before he started running Level 4 missions whereas he seemed to have bought the characters after he made ISK off of said L4s. He claims he got the isk using Frozean running missions, with all his glorious 4mil sp to make 10bil in a couple months. He claims a lot of things. I do not know what Frozean's faction standings were when he was biomassed, I never bothered to check and do not see them cached on google. More likely, he ran some missions, probably did not make enough to buy better mission characters so he used his JKLSHDFLJKFSD money, or $ or Pounds or whatever he is claiming to be to go out and buy a bunch of Plex for sale in game. Used that isk for characters that already had some standings and bought tags for the ones who didn't.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.27 11:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Moose Burger haha. if you earn RM80 per hour in malaysia, you probably can have 4 wives, 2 bungalows with swimming pool by the sea side, and own a company or two by the time you are 90 years old. Good thing your an undocumented immigrant living in Coventry or wherever you claim to be from today...
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.09.01 14:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Moose Burger i dont mind people knowing where im from ;P i love this thread. I wanted to updated my new benchmark of 120m isk/hour and 95m real isk/hour, but my laptop wiped out and i lost my excel on it. and im lazy to make another one i think with the calculation of 3.75K isk/lp, it is easily 180-250m isk/hour. Just im too lazy to fight for the details. Depends on what your definition of the word is is right? Whatever Troll

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